Creditor and debtor relationship
"I have already let it out: in the contractual relationship between creditor and debtor, which is as old as the very conception of a legal subject' and itself refers back to the basic forms of buying, selling, bartering, trade and traffic." (p.43 2nd essay) see pg 49 for more quotes "Through punishment of the debtor, the creditor takes part in the rights of the masters: at least he, too, shares the elevated feeling of despising and maltreating someone as an inferior' or at least, when the actual power of punishment, of exacting punishment, is already transferred to the authorities', of seeing the debtor despised and maltreated." (p. 44-45 2nd essay) We are being watched and judged constantly, we watch ourselves to make sure we are acting properly Our absence of joy is because we feel guilt from wrong doings and if plagues us In ancient times, they would concede to punishment and it would be over These Germans made a memory for themselves with dreadful methods, in order to master their basic plebeian instincts and the brutal crudeness of the same: think of old German punishments such as stoning (- even the legend drops the millstone on a guilty person's head) ..With the aid of such images and procedures, man was eventually able to retain five or six I-don't-want-to's' in his memory, in connection with which a promise has been made, in order to enjoy the advantages of society and there you are!" (p. 42 2nd essay) They weren't tormented mentally
"In the same way, it was here that the uncanny and perhaps inextricable link-up between the ideas of guilt and suffering' was first crouched together." (p.45 2nd essay) Association with guilt and debt
" the main moral concept Schuld' (guilt') descends from the very material concept of Schulden' (debts')? Or that punishment, as retribution, evolved quite independently of any assumption about freedom or lack freedom of the will? (p. 43 2nd essay) If a promise was made, you are in debt, you must pay it off one way or another "will to power" it feels good to inflict pain on someone because you are dominating them. " -the pleasure of having the right to exercise power over the powerless without a thought .the enjoyment of violating even a foretaste of higher rank Through punishment of the debtor, the creditor takes part in the rights of the masters: at least he, too, shares the elevated feeling of despising and maltreating someone as an inferior' or at least, when the actual power of punishment, of exacting punishment, is already transferred to the authorities', of seeing the debtor despised and maltreated." (p. 44-45 2nd essay)
"(meaning modern man, meaning us) revolts against a truly forceful realization of the degree to which cruelty is part of the festive joy of the ancient " (p.45 2nd essay) Everyone wants power
"To see somebody suffer is nice, to make somebody suffer is even nicer that is a hard proposition, but an ancient, powerful, human-all-to-human proposition to which, by the way, even the apes might subscribe:" (p.46 2nd essay) If I do you a favor, I have power over you which infers a debt. Animal or man denies its instincts.
"by means of which the animal man' is finally taught to be ashamed of all his instincts." (p.47 2nd essay) Nietzsche show that the words "good," "conscience," "guilt," and "justice," have changed through time. Man's "Free will."
"Might it not be the case that the extremely foolhardy and fateful philosophical invention, first devised for Europe, of the free will', of man's absolute freedom to do good or evil, was chiefly thought up to justify the idea that the interest of the gods in man, in man's virtue, could never be exhausted?" (p.49 2nd essay)
2.Is guilt, as...